When I was in university, I took a class on the history of South Africa. I remember that the professor (white, Canadian) was very dismissive of the IFP; she basically said the IFP was an organization created and supported by the Apartheid government to divide South Africa's black population.
Her opinion seems very much inline with what you have written here about the entitlement felt by the ANC to the vote of South Africa's black population. I wonder if her opinion of the IFP was influenced more by her time studying in South Africa or by fellow western academics outside of it.
This was a commonly-held position on the left. It was totally wrong, but the Left has surpassed the paranoid, whack-job right in false beliefs. A good example is to compare the Zimbabwe violence with the end of white rule. The property seizures and mass rapes started twenty year AFTER Mugabe came to power. The UK paid the government to buy out these properties, an that program ended in the early 1990's. It turned out that officials stole the money and never bought the properties. Even funnier, the core of Mugabe's intelligence and military command was a former white officer who basically spent the 1990's looting the Congo for Mugabe and himself.
The moral of the story is obvious: If Marxist terrorists take over your country, leave. Leave now. Furthermore, NEVER invest in such a country.
The Western world has a moral obligation to accept white South African refugees. We forced this situation, and the intelligence agencies knew what would happen. Without American and British coercion and sanctions there would be two strong, high-income, high standard-of-living countries in Rhodesia and South Africa. Instead with a basket case country avoiding famine only because of Western aid and a heavily-armed country that is on the verge of collapse.
When it happens, we should take the European stock out and let the Chinese come in and clean it up. They will do so, and get the mines back open. Only they have the means to fix that land, and only the Chinese still want to practice colonialism and Empire. The Russians are trying, but they lack the competence as well as the Will. The long-run impact will likely result in Africa becoming as Chinese as North America is white, but the international system will have broken down so much that no one will care any more.
Great read Thx. A whole lot to unpack here. But….How do one say,” close, and yet so far” without offending the “South African” political experts?
No comment regarding SA-politics is really worth it unless it’s rooted in a deep understanding of what shapes the psyche of a people that has their foundations in tribalism and the institutionalized impact and influence of the Sangoma (witchdoctor) coupled with a true distrust for other tribes that’s imbedded in a DNA stemming from 100’s of years of tribal wars and conquests.
Also if there’s nowhere mention that 13 of the 14 tribes that had exclusive cultural areas (call it homelands)pre 94 still has their exclusive homelands intact (yes EXCLUSIVE) except one group and said group has “lost” an estimated +100 000 members in less than 30 years because of “Normal Crime”.
But maybe, someone will also mention that in the post-apartheid South Africa there’s a 100+ laws on te statuary books that DIRECTLY AND BY NAME openly discriminates against one minority group, in what one can call “Economic Genocide” simply because there’s an international ignorance regarding the physical “slow Genocide” of these people!
But…… maybe one day some political commentator will unbiasedly acquire the full picture and then ……
In all honesty, re-read those laws. They discriminate against Asians as well. The Taiwanese families that did so much to keep the lights on during apartheid have all left, while colonizing, carpet-bagger mainland Chinese have joined in the corruption feeding frenzy with the worst kind of "traders" from India, Pakistan and the Persian Gulf to all dine at the expense of the South African citizen.
The whites are the targeted enemy, but the discriminatory policies against Asians may be every bit as important in the decline and collapse of South Africa under the ANC. I believe there are two or three Taiwanese billionaires who were born in South African and made the US and Taiwan even wealthier while South Africa circles the drain.
Some day the Chinese will re-open the mines, but it is unlikely that any local will be trusted with a job. The ANC will extort what they can and the Chinese will sign a lovely contract that will never be enforced.
The key is that the US needs to stay out of it. We should take in refugees as they are Westerners who should be taken in by their own (UK, US, Canada, Australia, NZ). The worst Euro- or Asian-South African will be better than the best Somali or non-Judeo-Christian Arabic speaker. South Africa is long past any hope of recovery. It is yet another example of societal collapse under socialism. We might as well cut the continent off below the Sahara and let them develop at their own pace while we protect wildlife preserves. Zimbabwe used to be a major high-end tourist destination, but not anymore. Western intervention only makes everything worse. Neither aid nor trade has done any good, so we need to pack up and leave them to their own devices (and tech).
Do you have any insight into the mindset of the average white South African? Are a majority like the liberal you met and think their condition is going to magically get better?
I've met many white SAffers. Like most humans everywhere they rationalize their condition and think things will be okay and not think too much about it.
I have met quite a few. As a rule, the young ones who manage to get to the US or Australia build their lives there. The older generation go back to retire because the quality of life is affordable. They will likely be the last to die there, but they will do so in style and comfort with servants and such, and impossible lifestyle in California, Australia or similar.
Go to California or Australia and you will find them--both English and bonehead.
Oh dear. This is all very well - or not well, rather - but so-called 'HIV' does not cause AIDS. Mbeki, for all his faults, was right to question the orthodoxy.
This is similar to the conspiracy to claim that so-called "bacteria" cause infections, but you cannot see these magical creatures without their lying "equipment." They claim the same with mystical "viruses" they have tricked foolish westerners to believe in, like the mythical "electricity" or their silly "computers." These parlor tricks never convince the smart guys like us!
Now on the the real conspiracy, that the true cause of sexually-transmitted diseases comes from sharing toilet seats with Jews and Catholics. We all know it is true, yet we are called crazy, not the oppressive, hetero-normative medical establishment, with their big pharma lies and scams such as MRI's, x-rays and all so-called "medical imaging."
Now if any of you want my tin-foil hat inserts, I am taking orders now. Remember, aluminum has replaced tin in foil because it cannot shield the brain from the CIA control-machines, or what they have tricked us into believing were "cell phone signals" or "wifi,"
The discussion of the Vissers makes me wonder whether there's some connection between that and the lore of Animorphs, which was written around that time.
Soon to be United States. Wait another 10 years.
When I was in university, I took a class on the history of South Africa. I remember that the professor (white, Canadian) was very dismissive of the IFP; she basically said the IFP was an organization created and supported by the Apartheid government to divide South Africa's black population.
Her opinion seems very much inline with what you have written here about the entitlement felt by the ANC to the vote of South Africa's black population. I wonder if her opinion of the IFP was influenced more by her time studying in South Africa or by fellow western academics outside of it.
This was a commonly-held position on the left. It was totally wrong, but the Left has surpassed the paranoid, whack-job right in false beliefs. A good example is to compare the Zimbabwe violence with the end of white rule. The property seizures and mass rapes started twenty year AFTER Mugabe came to power. The UK paid the government to buy out these properties, an that program ended in the early 1990's. It turned out that officials stole the money and never bought the properties. Even funnier, the core of Mugabe's intelligence and military command was a former white officer who basically spent the 1990's looting the Congo for Mugabe and himself.
The moral of the story is obvious: If Marxist terrorists take over your country, leave. Leave now. Furthermore, NEVER invest in such a country.
The Western world has a moral obligation to accept white South African refugees. We forced this situation, and the intelligence agencies knew what would happen. Without American and British coercion and sanctions there would be two strong, high-income, high standard-of-living countries in Rhodesia and South Africa. Instead with a basket case country avoiding famine only because of Western aid and a heavily-armed country that is on the verge of collapse.
When it happens, we should take the European stock out and let the Chinese come in and clean it up. They will do so, and get the mines back open. Only they have the means to fix that land, and only the Chinese still want to practice colonialism and Empire. The Russians are trying, but they lack the competence as well as the Will. The long-run impact will likely result in Africa becoming as Chinese as North America is white, but the international system will have broken down so much that no one will care any more.
Great read Thx. A whole lot to unpack here. But….How do one say,” close, and yet so far” without offending the “South African” political experts?
No comment regarding SA-politics is really worth it unless it’s rooted in a deep understanding of what shapes the psyche of a people that has their foundations in tribalism and the institutionalized impact and influence of the Sangoma (witchdoctor) coupled with a true distrust for other tribes that’s imbedded in a DNA stemming from 100’s of years of tribal wars and conquests.
Also if there’s nowhere mention that 13 of the 14 tribes that had exclusive cultural areas (call it homelands)pre 94 still has their exclusive homelands intact (yes EXCLUSIVE) except one group and said group has “lost” an estimated +100 000 members in less than 30 years because of “Normal Crime”.
But maybe, someone will also mention that in the post-apartheid South Africa there’s a 100+ laws on te statuary books that DIRECTLY AND BY NAME openly discriminates against one minority group, in what one can call “Economic Genocide” simply because there’s an international ignorance regarding the physical “slow Genocide” of these people!
But…… maybe one day some political commentator will unbiasedly acquire the full picture and then ……
In all honesty, re-read those laws. They discriminate against Asians as well. The Taiwanese families that did so much to keep the lights on during apartheid have all left, while colonizing, carpet-bagger mainland Chinese have joined in the corruption feeding frenzy with the worst kind of "traders" from India, Pakistan and the Persian Gulf to all dine at the expense of the South African citizen.
The whites are the targeted enemy, but the discriminatory policies against Asians may be every bit as important in the decline and collapse of South Africa under the ANC. I believe there are two or three Taiwanese billionaires who were born in South African and made the US and Taiwan even wealthier while South Africa circles the drain.
Some day the Chinese will re-open the mines, but it is unlikely that any local will be trusted with a job. The ANC will extort what they can and the Chinese will sign a lovely contract that will never be enforced.
The key is that the US needs to stay out of it. We should take in refugees as they are Westerners who should be taken in by their own (UK, US, Canada, Australia, NZ). The worst Euro- or Asian-South African will be better than the best Somali or non-Judeo-Christian Arabic speaker. South Africa is long past any hope of recovery. It is yet another example of societal collapse under socialism. We might as well cut the continent off below the Sahara and let them develop at their own pace while we protect wildlife preserves. Zimbabwe used to be a major high-end tourist destination, but not anymore. Western intervention only makes everything worse. Neither aid nor trade has done any good, so we need to pack up and leave them to their own devices (and tech).
Do you have any insight into the mindset of the average white South African? Are a majority like the liberal you met and think their condition is going to magically get better?
I've met many white SAffers. Like most humans everywhere they rationalize their condition and think things will be okay and not think too much about it.
I have met quite a few. As a rule, the young ones who manage to get to the US or Australia build their lives there. The older generation go back to retire because the quality of life is affordable. They will likely be the last to die there, but they will do so in style and comfort with servants and such, and impossible lifestyle in California, Australia or similar.
Go to California or Australia and you will find them--both English and bonehead.
Oh dear. This is all very well - or not well, rather - but so-called 'HIV' does not cause AIDS. Mbeki, for all his faults, was right to question the orthodoxy.
This is similar to the conspiracy to claim that so-called "bacteria" cause infections, but you cannot see these magical creatures without their lying "equipment." They claim the same with mystical "viruses" they have tricked foolish westerners to believe in, like the mythical "electricity" or their silly "computers." These parlor tricks never convince the smart guys like us!
Now on the the real conspiracy, that the true cause of sexually-transmitted diseases comes from sharing toilet seats with Jews and Catholics. We all know it is true, yet we are called crazy, not the oppressive, hetero-normative medical establishment, with their big pharma lies and scams such as MRI's, x-rays and all so-called "medical imaging."
Now if any of you want my tin-foil hat inserts, I am taking orders now. Remember, aluminum has replaced tin in foil because it cannot shield the brain from the CIA control-machines, or what they have tricked us into believing were "cell phone signals" or "wifi,"
I have no idea what you are talking about - do you?
The discussion of the Vissers makes me wonder whether there's some connection between that and the lore of Animorphs, which was written around that time.