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Jeff Russell's avatar

Two things from my own experience of classical language pedagogy that seem relevant:

1) A possible secret, third thing for classical language learning was Gareth Morgan's *Lexis* morphological approach, as taught in the University of Texas's Intensive Summer Greek program (and now available as a self-study textbook and some other tools): https://jamesfpatterson.com/gml/

It sought to teach the roots and basic morphological rules that led to the complex grammatical tables through examples of slightly-simplified real prose, which were gradually ramped up to real Greek as you went. I found it extremely congenial and went from not even being able to sound-out the Greek Alphabet to reading *Philoctetes* in the original (albeit, poorly, but I blame me more than the instruction for that) over the course of a summer. Compared to poetry, it was *very* effective at learning to read prose, like Herodotus (but it did okay with Homer, which I could read decently back in the day).

2) Another benefit of the Grammar-Translation approach: songs as mnemonics! My high school Latin teacher taught us the first declension table to the tune of "Cielito Lindo," and the second declension to the tune of "The Mickey Mouse Club." I can still recite those from memory at 40, but the third declension (alas, with no song), I have to squint and struggle and guess at. Just like how literate English speakers don't break into the "ABC" song to figure out what weird glyphs they're looking at, but might still call it up when trying to alphabetize something, such formal mnemonics are sometimes helpful, and are made easier by more structured approaches.

Cheers, and good luck with "CLT, but structured better,"

Jeff

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Ryan Hammill's avatar

This is a great statement of the "mixed method" of language instruction, which I wholeheartedly agree with. The natural method (usually) has the right end in mind, which is essential, viz. reading Latin texts. It also supplies the essential fuel for language acquisition: comprehensible input.

But immersion sans grammatical instruction is only an efficient method if it's full immersion, or at least close to it. For example, learning Thai by living in Thailand with a Thai family. By contrast, going to class a couple hours a week and speaking in Latin isn't even close to full immersion, and proponents of the natural method do themselves and their students a disservice by withholding explicit grammatical instruction in such cases.

You can even defend grammatical instruction from within a CI-framework. For example, a very simple and concise explanation of the grammar in a sentence from a teacher can transform that sentence from incomprehensible to comprehensible input. So, like you say, grammatical instruction and natural method/immersion/CI are in fact allies. They just need to play their respective parts and be properly ordered.

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