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First time I've ever been able to care about the American founding fathers. Important context to everything they were trying to do.

There's a weird kind of naivete that exists here and in the French Revolution, at the dawn of the modern political system. Like they genuinely thought getting rid of kings would be sufficient to create a perfect world. Why are they surprised at the common man's lack of moral fibre, and his hunger for personal gain? Because it was the first ever experiment with large-scale democratic governance and they had no idea how it was going to go.

Blackpilling aside, I think you have to concede that America went pretty well, all things considered. Can imagine a much worse timeline where the followers of Jefferson fully imported revolutionary terror and were guillotining people in the streets of Philadelphia. The Hamiltonians bring in a minor German noble to act as King, the country splits from the beginning and ends up a bunch of little states like central America.

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“A thousand years hence perhaps in less, America may be what Europe is now. The innocence of her character, that won the hearts of all nations in her favor, may sound like a romance and her inimitable virtues as if it had never been. The ruin of that liberty which thousands bled for or struggled to obtain may just furnish materials for a village tale or extort a sigh from rustic sensibility, while the fashionable of the day, enveloped in dissipation, shall deride the principle and deny the fact.

“When we contemplate the fall of Empires and the extinction of the nations of the Ancient World, we see but little to excite our regret than the mouldering ruins of pompous palaces, magnificent museums, lofty pyramids and walls and towers of the most costly workmanship; but when the Empire of America shall fall, the subject for contemplative sorrow will be infinitely greater than the crumbling brass and marble can inspire. It will not then be said, here stood a temple of vast antiquity; here rose a babel of invisible height; or there a palace of sumptuous extravagance; but here, Ah, painful thought! the noblest work of human wisdom, the grandest scene of human glory, the fair cause of Freedom rose and fell.”

-Thomas Paine; 1794 while in Luxembourg prison “A thousand years hence perhaps in less, America may be what Europe is now. The innocence of her character, that won the hearts of all nations in her favor, may sound like a romance and her inimitable virtues as if it had never been. The ruin of that liberty which thousands bled for or struggled to obtain may just furnish materials for a village tale or extort a sigh from rustic sensibility, while the fashionable of the day, enveloped in dissipation, shall deride the principle and deny the fact.

“When we contemplate the fall of Empires and the extinction of the nations of the Ancient World, we see but little to excite our regret than the mouldering ruins of pompous palaces, magnificent museums, lofty pyramids and walls and towers of the most costly workmanship; but when the Empire of America shall fall, the subject for contemplative sorrow will be infinitely greater than the crumbling brass and marble can inspire. It will not then be said, here stood a temple of vast antiquity; here rose a babel of invisible height; or there a palace of sumptuous extravagance; but here, Ah, painful thought! the noblest work of human wisdom, the grandest scene of human glory, the fair cause of Freedom rose and fell.”

-Thomas Paine; 1794 while in Luxembourg prison: Memorial to James Monroe

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