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I find it kind of interesting that you went from

"Tidewater stopped serving a practical purpose and died" and "Yankees are the origin of woke, which we hate and no longer serves a practical purpose" to "Oh no, what happens if immigrants dilute or change our dominant Yankee culture?"

To the extent that the law of first settlement is real and you're concerned about woke, your main concern about immigration should be *ruining the immigrants.* To the extent culture is actually malleable, you should see modulating immigrants as a potential to undermine the vices of Yankeedom and instill new balancing virtues. It's strange to both hate what the ruling stock of America has become and *also* be a nativist fearful of cultural change from those foreigners over there.

Notably, when I think about the unusual traits of Americanism most worth preserving and emulating, it's like "brusque honesty and fair play and yeomanry not taking shit or charity from anyone." This seems like not an entirely Yankee set of virtues, and notably most of even the cardinal Yankee virtues are now gone from their cultural descendants (fecundity, concern for education as such).

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I feel like the initial map isn't quite right (though I skipped down here to comment, so forgive me if this is addressed within the essay/review) — at least, *my perception is* that here in West Texas (grew up in & then returned to the area just to the east of that right angle with NM there, + also some way to the north-east; Lubbock and Midessa, that is) the culture has merged to great extent with "El Norte", and this merged culture is a) certainly now "its own thing", and b) drops off sharply once you get too much farther toward Ohio or Tennessee.

That is, by the metric mentioned at the beginning — the feeling of familiarity and comfort (which was an excellent illustration of the idea behind the book, btw! it was immediately evocative and comprehensible to me; I just couldn't quite feel at home anywhere else in the U.S.) — (West) Virginia isn't in the same "nation" as WTX at all, to my mind. Not enough Hispanics, not enough breakfast tamales...

It's hard for me to be sure, given my limited time spent living in other places (moved about once a year all over the country till coming back home; the Northeast is what I hated the most, heh), but my impression is that there IS validity to the "Greater Appalachia" outlined in the map: feel quite comfortable with people from Oklahoma and Arkansas.

The second-place spot goes to states like Wyoming or Montana; not sure how much historical continuity they share with us down here, but they feel much more familiar than anywhere else I've been (aside from Greater Appalachia, of course, esp. the more southwestern parts).

Interestingly, though the very eastern bits of NM are nearly indistinguishable from the local culture IME (e.g. Hobbs), the most of the state is more unlike us than, say, Kentucky. Same with CO, I think, on the whole. The book got that right, for my money!

Just my anecdata... so to speak! Great Substack, the only one that's really grabbed me since following Scott "Alexanderkind" here.

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