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Jeff's avatar

"Come on, tell me it isn’t a crime that there’s no comparative analysis of the Mongols and the Comanches!"

The ACOUP blog does a bit of this, when it looks at how similar the Dothraki from Game of Thrones are to either of them (Spoiler - not very!)

https://acoup.blog/2020/12/04/collections-that-dothraki-horde-part-i-barbarian-couture/

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I liked both this and the Scott book review, but only in the sense that any news is better than no news, with respect to hill people. It opens a conversation. Both books (from the reviews ...) read to me like poll-tested missives about noble savages, ala Jared Diamond on tribes in New Guinea, or Scott on the border regions of Thailand, Burma, and Laos, for blank slate reader markets who want to read about human versions of zoo animals. Yes, those tribal denizens are so intelligent! And so on. I also perceive that both accts are deeply Anglo, and the Anglo world hardly has hills, except for Scotland (and of course, Appalachians are often Scottish), and the Scottish Highlands story is an old sad one, pickled and canned. To contrast, the hill peoples of the Alps, the Pyrenees, Peru and Afghanistan (Nepal!) are uncanned and open with histories and influences up to the present day. What they're not, is Anglo. And so few of them ever emigrated to the USA, so they're not recognizable on an American street, so books about them don't sell. The general suppression of Germanic culture in the USA that dates from the end of WWI to the present day ensures that Alpine culture becomes zoology not anthropology. Still, there's no explanation of phenomena like Swiss "armed neutrality" or anarchism (that grows in the 19th century with Russian and Swiss [William Tell] heroes) without reference to hill culture as an ethical norm. Even Israeli military doctrine draws on hill culture, because its military and its civic education draws so deeply on the Swiss example. I'm only focusing on the Swiss example because that's what I know, as my dad's side of the family is from Nidwalden, above Lucerne on the lake. An uncle of mine used to giggle that Lucerne in the 1700s forbade its women from marrying anyone from our canton because of its lawlessness. Shortly before Switzerland was founded (1291), our canton was excommunicated from the Catholic church for laying siege to the Einsiedeln Benedictine monastary. Had Schiller not conquered cultural Germany with his romantic era account of William Tell, we would hardly be known but for Swiss historians. It's not a matter of pride to me, however, nor to Switzerland, that the bloodthirstyness of hill culture as reflected in Swiss mercenary practice (not taking prisoners, mutilating bodies, threatening pillage for ransom, and so on) infected many military traditions with excess ferocity. A large part of Zwingli's Reform Protestantism was a rejection of mercenary life, which he failed to expunge from Switzerland because it brought in too much income to communities in place of taxes. It's also silly to call us clannish, since as successful mercenaries (and in the French Alps, as watchmakers), the hill people refreshed their culture with the booty, women, and profit of surrounding lands, while retaining their "ungoverned" character. It's also not at all the case that all hill people indulged in feuds -- the Scottish example may hold in Afghanistan, but certainly not in Switzerland (I don't know the Pyrenees case, but perhaps not there too -- did it hold in Peru too?). Again, the limited focus teaches far less that it suggests.

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