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Harry Tuffs's avatar

You commit a rhetorical sleight of hand here, where you bring up the Copernican and Darwinian revolutions, formulate an argument to dismiss the Copernican revolution, and then proceed as though by doing so you've repudiated both. In fact, I'd argue that Darwin is - both in popular understanding, and in historical fact - the greater pivot point here, not Copernicus. The Earth going around the sun is less a blow to Biblical narrative than the evolution of man from ape.

To be clear I don't think you're being glib. I suspect you were just trying to avoid miring your argument in some long and thorny weeds. I'm sure you've thought long and hard about Darwin, as you strike me as the kind of person who thinks long and hard about these kinds of things. But I'd be far more interested in hearing your thoughts on Darwin than on Copernicus, so I was disappointed by the elusion.

As for miracles... An atheist might say that human psychology is the constant baseline here, not the existence of miracles. People have a natural tendency to believe things that aren't true.

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Dylan Black's avatar

While your pen remains as sharp as ever, I find the arguments here lacking their usual point.

First: are you and Douthat really suggesting Genesis holds up better than Enlightenment cosmology? You allow Genesis to be metaphorical while mocking atheists for failing to anticipate 21st-century physics. But by any standard, the Bible’s cosmology isn’t accurate—and letting scripture be “basically right” while demanding literal foresight from secular thinkers is a stacked deck. If anything, the most accurate religious cosmology is probably the Old Norse, they got the beginning AND the end, for what is Ragnarok but the heat death of the universe, or a Big Crunch if the energy density is sufficient? I joke, but you see my point here.

Second: from a previous piece—you’ve still misunderstood the teleology of Lagrangian mechanics. The endpoints or boundary conditions are imposed by the problem. The teleology is formal, not metaphysical, and vanishes in a differential formulation, just like in local and global formulations of Maxwell’s equations. It’s not evidence of purpose—it’s just math.

Third: your claim that miracle frequency has stayed constant (even normalized!) is unsupported and likely wrong. Reports of miracles clearly track cultural trends—dropping during Enlightenment cessationism, rising with Pentecostalism, declining as the Vatican tightens standards for healing miracles at Lourdes. That’s exactly what you’d expect if they’re socially constructed, not supernaturally driven.

And even if I granted the whole structure—fine-tuning, miracles, moral profundity—none of it uniquely confirms Christianity. One could just as easily use this framework to rationalize Islam, or Hinduism, or Atenism. You and Douthat address this a bit in the article, but not enough. If everything vaguely theistic counts as “confirmed,” then nothing in particular is. And what’s faith anyway, if it’s just empiricism after all?

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