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Arun Solanky's avatar

This is very interesting and I enjoyed it. I think the analysis of the memetic role of the Confucian academia in constraining the power of the emperors is probably quite right. But it's not enough to explain the situation.

The medieval Europeans did not accept the legitimacy of multiple states. They continuously invented new ways to tie themselves to imperial Roman titles ("Rex Romanorum," "Holy Roman Emperor," "Roman Catholicism"). The word "Catholic" means universal! Even HRE Carlos V felt this! In 1521, at the Diet of Worms, he said "“the empire from of old had not many masters, but one, and it is our intention to be that one.” That's explicitly saying multinational political organization is illegitimate.

Westphalia was remarkable because it was the first time in European political history that multinational political organization was accepted as per se legitimate! The meme of universalism is a core, core part of Christianity and European political thought up until very very recently.

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Ante Skrabalo's avatar

I respectfully disagree. For starters, the discussion veers more than once into the very trap of assuming uniformity of China in time and in space right after (correctly) identifying and warning about said bias. But more importantly, it utterly misses the elephant in the room. Specifically, the Chinese writing system. Sure, it's super clunky inasmuch as it takes at least 8 years to learn in school. But crucially, this also means that people can speak totally differently, yet write exactly the same. In the pre-translation app world, when people from say Southern China visited Beijing, they would quickly realize they were speaking mutually unintelligible languages. No problem - then they would simply whip out a pencil and a paper and start writing.

I believe it was this far more than anything else that kept China together even in times of fragmentation. Were it not for this, chances are the Chinese would long ago have fractured into a group of related but separate nations, somewhat like the Germanic, Romance and Slavic languages of Europe, or similar groupings worldwide.

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